In today’s episode of Stuck@Om, I have a conversation with my friend Jason Fried, the co-founder and CEO of Basecamp. We talk about the parts of lockdown that we’ve enjoyed, as well as the ways it has made us more thankful. Jason admits that we don’t realize how much we take for granted. Hopefully, when we emerge from this pandemic, we can be more appreciative of the teachers, nannies, and cleaning services that help us manage our everyday lives.
Jason and I chat about the reality that there are no full-time employees right now. Those lucky enough to work from home are juggling caring for their children, cooking meals, and other priorities. Leaders must recognize this reality and adjust their expectations accordingly. Basecamp has taken this to heart. They know that everyone must find a balance that works for their family. If that means someone can only contribute 4 hours towards a workday, the company has articulated to their employees that they understand — things will be okay at a slower pace.
We talk about technology and the concepts of efficiency and effectiveness. Doing more doesn’t always mean accomplishing more, and activity doesn’t equate to achievement. We also ponder the micro-level changes we will see when we emerge from this pandemic. Will we always stand a foot further apart? Will shaking hands no longer be a social norm? Will the ability to trust become the largest victim of this pandemic?
Jason and I chat about everything from the coronavirus and climate change to Grand Seiko watches and custom clothing. Listen to hear an engaging conversation between friends.
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Outline of This Episode
- How Jason and his wife are navigating lockdown with 2 children
- Be creative instead of being bogged down by negativity
- The greatest things about technology are also the worst
- Leaders have to recognize and adapt to the new reality we’re in
- The concept humans struggle with that our identity is found in work
- We need to eliminate the cultural expectation of an immediate response
- Not everything is categorized “breaking news”—it isn’t all important
- Do we have too many tools creating more chaos than order?
- Will trust become the largest victim of this pandemic?
- The hope that new technologies will emerge out of this
- The coronavirus is just a symptom of larger issues at play
- We have to change and adapt to new realities
- Dealing with mass paranoia when everyone has become dangerous
- We talk about our mutual love of Grand Seiko Watches
- Why I have exactly 100 pieces of clothing in my wardrobe
- The things you should spend money on include good food and comfort
Resources & People Mentioned
- Basecamp: Shapeup
- Basecamp’s new creation: Hey
- Son of a Tailor
- The iShuffle Principle
- My Guilty Pleasures
- Thunders Love Socks
- Grand Seiko Watches
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