22 thoughts on “Nokia: Android fragmentation helps us”

  1. Good report. i take it he didn’t say much about iOS. which is smart. it is really Android that is eating up old WinMobile and Nokia Symbian market share in big gulps. Apple’s huge and expanding ecosystem is just too much for Nokia to take on. i thought it was a bad mistake for them to abandon Ovi just as it was staring to get filled out. because whatever MS finally comes up with is going to be focused on MS’ priorities – like competing with Facebook and Google+ – not Nokia’s. i’m one of those who think we are witnessing a slow motion takeover of Nokia by MS, maybe by the end of 2012. for the sake of “full integration of the user experience,” of course.

  2. In the next upgrade cycle based on past performance. Apple will be at +50% upgraded in [mid] 2012. Google partners will still churn out 2.3 devices and maybe get a handle on upgrading by end 2012 to ice-cream.

    I don’t think MS can compete against Apple’s [new] iOS, since we will be talking about the next version already by mid next year. But Google partners slow OS upgrade cycle gives an opening to gain market share, since the OS on [most] new Android devices will be an OS 1.5 years old.

    I don’t think MS has a break through in voice control, sounds like voice recognition to me. So the question is: Can MS use the …-6[max] month opening, nobody will care about Nokia HW at that point.

    Android still doesn’t have un-delete, C&P is flaky, Google Apps integration is in rather primitive. So they have max 6mth to gain traction, voice recognition or not. Why not focus on competitions miss steps instead, why focus on something promised and over hyped for years and never delivered? Somehow this reminds me of [MS] pen tablets, old ideas/menus with a different input.

  3. Well i’ve been with Nokia ever since but iDon’t see myself rolling with a WP Nokia. I do have an Android also but im planning to buy N9 by MeeGo as my last Nokia until we get another Nokia MeeGo. This Microsoft thing ain’t for me.
    Well i do hope Nokia gets back to no.1 coz iGrew up with it.

    Damn, it looks like ppl who work at Nokia are from Bill Gates’ company…damn that sucks.

  4. Stupid. Fragmentation MUST END. OEMs are NOT good at enhancing the experience, they load these phones with CRAPWARE that isn’t necessary and is often difficult to remove, sometimes requiring you ROOT your android handset and remove the unwanted junk, which does often include useless interface apps.

    Pure Android is great. It’s a blank slate to a user. Let’s try not to clutter that blank slate quality of Android by allowing manufacturers to fragment the platform into useless shards.

    1. Here’s a thought. Make Android naturally themeable, and allow handset manufacturers to differentiate their products by creating themes. And then allow the users to disable/uninstall the theme if they want to.
      I don’t think removing customization entirely would be a good thing, considering what phones are actually selling.

  5. I think nokia will survive if they use meego as a mainstream platform. Nokia look tough using meego than wp7 on the same phone

  6. I really doubt this will change anything… Ive been waiting for Nokia’s WP7 phones since they announced their partnership with microsoft. And up till now, nothing.

  7. fragmentation is not a problem for the users. it’s a problem for the developers. deal with it. same device for everyone is impossible. use cases differ and so does the income – hence the affordability. fragmentation is what’s boosting the android numbers.
    p.s. – i am a developer.

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  8. I honestly believe that there is room for a new/different user experience on mobile…just as sometime back, the world was happy with nokia and ericson and sony and lg and sammy feature phones — until Steve brought in the touch concept and Google promptly copied it for Android.

    In a year or less, the market might be ready for a change. Will Apple still be the trail blazer ? Or are they too stuck up on the current touch concepts (+ iconzed home) that only an outsider can upset the Apple cart?

    1. Yeah, but you’re assuming that Apple, with iOS and Google’s Android stands still, tapping their foot and looking at their watches while they wait for Nokia and the Windows Phone platform to catch up.

      By the time Nokia rolls out their Windows Phone Mango devices next year, they’ll be competing against the 2012 versions of Android and iOS, not the current ones.

  9. “this from a company that has no market share and brand presence in the U.S.” giving helms in the hand of elop who hails from a region where nokia has almost no presence was a wrong move. how did he read the nokia market in such a short span of time that he decided to uproot the current pillars and try build a new one which could hold while the building is falling. killing off symbian bcuz it does not perform well in certain regions ? i dont know wht gr8 strategy is that. what it has done is hurt the revenues of a lot of coming quarters. they clearly have more than a couple of challenging quarters. finally all the phones are as different as my ass is from urs. doing the same thing.
    “Static apps and icons are an outdated model,” what does he plans to introduce.. animated gif’s as app icons ?
    “Fragmentation in Android is going to end in a poor consumer experience and that’s what we can take advantage of and we can give a better experience for first time smartphone buyers.” – sounds more like that’s when ( ambush opportunity ) first time smartphone buyers ?? who would those be when they are finally ready.

  10. It is true that fragmentation must be stopped on android & it can create problem’s in future when there are no big updates (like Icecream Sandwhich) but Chris Weber must also learn that today young generation want freedom of use & that freedom is given by android like flashing custom ROM’s on phone which Microsoft will never allow.

    Chris Weber should also have to keep in mind that having their flagship device running 1st or 2nd gen. processor in 2012 when other Manufacture’s will have 4th or 5th gen. processor(may be dualcore also) than who will going to buy their device’s

    At Last I’ll say that nice,easy & fun to use GUI make OS really popular and having a look on GUI used by Nokia in their past sym^OS I don’t think that nokia will able to provide the GUI that will compete to like’s of Apple iOS, HTC Sense & etc GUI currently available.

  11. m settling for being the third option. But I also don’t want the company to fade away into obscurity. After all, like many of us, Nokia was our gateway to the mobile web, and that shoul

  12. “After all, like many of us, Nokia was our gateway to the mobile web, and that should (and it does) count for something.”

    Not really: that WAP stuff was just horrendous. I’d all but forgotten about it until you reminded me.

    As to fragmentation: as an earlier comment notes, much of the “added value” by Android handset makers is pointless junk (I’m looking at YOU, Samsung!), but on the other hand, at least Android has got a market to fragment. WP7 has got a focus group.

  13. He’s right about fragmentation but that’s Apple’s strength and it’s not going away. I just wish the new Nokia guys would stop dissing the previous management “The other guys were dumb – Nokia dissing its team” http://goo.gl/4ISlp Fair enough if the new team have a whole of brilliant insights into the market and company and what went wrong. But they don’t. What I hear is mostly just exec PR babble and a few insults to the capabilities of the previous team. I hope Nokia does well, just lay off the old team until you know something about it, I’d say.

    Walter @adamson

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