78 thoughts on “Amazon MP3 vs. Apple iTunes: Where Should You Shop?”

  1. Another service like the iTunes Store completely worthless to the majority of Internet users…i.e. those outside the United States.

    emusic.com is the only worthwhile one I’ve come across not completely neutered by geographical restrictions.

    If the music industry wants to stop the withering, they’re going to have to wake up to the fact that USA is a dwindling portion of the worldwide web audience.

  2. Are they tagging the MP3’s with your personal information? At least with iTunes I know that other people are looking for the tokens to remove.m and have the appropriate tools to erase that information.

    Also, I’m in Canada.

  3. Saving money and DRM free will be a big enough draw to most people to get them to switch. Hopefully Amazon throws some big marketing dollars behind this program.

  4. Om, I have to say, you have kickass taste in obscure music.

    I agree that emusic seems like it would be a better apples/apples comparison because it sells MP3s even though it has a subscription model instead of a pay-per-track model.

  5. Damn, I bought the Remix Game on iTunes two weeks ago! Om, a question — Why doesn’t Apple have these same songs available in non-DRM iTunes Plus format? How did Amazon beat Apple to the punch in unrestricted files?

  6. “You need a special downloader (both Mac and PC are supported) in order to download files. (snip) It is a process eMusic fans are quite used to, though for iTunes people, it is an unnecessary extra step.”

    Hmmm, it seems to me that to download from the iTunes store you have to install a sluggish 35MB Application (everyone seems to forget this) vs a nice lightweight app from emusic and Amazon. I agree that iTunes is chimp simple to use, but let’s not forget that to browse the store itself, we are forced to use iTunes. eMusic and Amazon’s downloader do one thing and do it well.

    Thanks for the review, enjoyed your perspectives.

    1. I imagine for a 10/10 you’d need to be like Trent Reznor and NIN: that is, offer all downloads in Lossless, WAV, and MP3 formats. Of course, it would be unfeasible to do that now in 2009, but in a few years when terabyte drives are cheap, I expect that this will become more common as a way of competition.

  7. You don’t need the downloader application to buy the mp3s. You can skip the install and download the music directly to your file system if you chose. You do lose the synching function. This makes it the first real big time music store that serves the Linux community, although you can do this with Windows or MacOS as well. You buy an MP3 and download it, no strings. No proprietary aps, nothing. Just a fresh un-DRM’d mp3 file. Awesome. iTunes will have to match this experience. Amazon will effectively de-couple iPods from iTunes if they get more labels on board. Killer.

  8. I’m still disappointed by their format choices of 1. If I buy a music file, I want it to be of the same sound quality as a CD, if not better. That means lossless formats, a choice of 256kbps mp3, wma lossless, aac lossless, and variable bitrate mp3s would be nice. Then again, that might confuse most consumers.

  9. I’m confused. The record companies have been consistently saying that they want the power to charge more for certain releases and thay they are concerned about piracy…(see Vivendi/Universal).
    So, here we have another service that “seems” to be customer friendly but would seem to not address the record companies issues.
    This store is in BETA – but lets say its becomes a giant success…what’s stopping the labels from jacking the prices or creating restrictions like they are doing/ attempting to do with iTunes?
    Everyone seems so quick to hate on iTunes but the issues people have with iTunes stem from the record labels who want to squeeze every last penny out of us. After all, just 2 days ago vivendi whined that the 70% plus cut it got from Apple was way too low. So, if Amazon charges less, then the labels are sure to make less (unless you think they will make up the differential in volume). So I fail to see how this is the remedy we’ve been seeking.
    The truth of the matter is this:
    The labels are using Amazon as leverage against iTunes. Don’t forget that Universal has threatened to pull its catalog from iTunes if it cannot charge more for certain tracks. (99c) So, if they are not happy at 99c then I doubt they’ll be satisfied at less than that.
    So, the reality is that this Amazon price scale is a teaser rate desgined to pull you in and erode itunes supposed dominance…(although if you really beleive iTunes is dominant than you must enjoy drinking record label kool aid).
    Once the teaser has done its job, Amazon will roll immedately over and jack the prices to whatever the labels want. That is the reality of the situation.

    1. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I came here to try to decide where to buy from (even from others than itunes/amazon) based entirely on the profit artists make. However, none of what you said made sense. I know for sure iTunes gives the worst cut (%) to artists…Vivendi complaining that they only get 70%…that just doesn’t mesh. I’m just going to torrent and mail the band $5.

  10. What are the downsides for iTunes customers going with Amazon? Does album art work? Perhaps Apple will at some point in the future let customers re-download all of their music in better quality?

    It looks like a no-brainer. However, if Apple even made some tiny promises about things it might offer existing customers in the future, it would completely short-circuit the Amazon offering.

  11. So let me get this straight….Amazon is actually charging LESS for the top 100 and more for the less popular songs? Isn’t that exactly the opposite of what the record labels have been running around whining and crying that Apple wouldn’t let them do?

    This is the big plan to try and break Apple’s hold on the digital music biz?

    Steve Job’s HAS to be laughing his a$$ of at them today!

    I’m no Apple fanboy but these record execs are f’ing morons…

  12. I just tried it out and I have to say it is a different experience from iTunes…but very, very consistent with any Amazon.com purchase. They managed to make their download store fit very well with their physical delivery stores.

    And as for the downloader – well it took me approx 15 seconds to install that compared to probably over 10 minutes to get each new version of iTunes…Amazon wins there. And the tracks just appear in iTunes auto-magically ready to be synced to my iPod. I didn’t do anything to make that happen it just did…

    So I like this store a lot…and will like it a lot more once there are a lot more purchases and the comments start building up.

  13. This actually sounds like a good service (as opposed to iTunes Store, which I would NEVER use).

    I won’t be buying anything from them though, because I am completely boycotting the music-industry until they start behaving like decent human beings. Which means no more lawsuits against filesharers, and no more DRM at all. In the meantime, the current situation works for me. It is after all completely free, and I’ve downloaded hundreds of gigabytes in both lossy and lossless formats. And the selection is better than any store can offer.

    mmaestro: There is no such thing as AAC lossless. If you were thinking of ALAC, that is a filthy and proprietary format. Go for WavPack or FLAC.

  14. Thanks for the kind words and link above for Hypebot.

    I think you have to look at this as a first step. If Amazon is not as good as iTunes in you’re book give it some time and know that in many ways their hands are tied by the labels.

    This a fairly bold move by an innovative retailer who is saying “I don’t want to sell something that only some people can use some of the time. I want to sell them something they can enjoy whenever, wherever and however thy want.” That attitude needs to be applauded – and no I’m not on Amazon’s payroll.

  15. Although it says that the service is only available in the USA, I’ve managed to purchase music with a non-US credit card with a US address (CA 90210….)

  16. Ok, so you rank it only a 26/50, but does this mean Itunes gets 50/50? It seems to be a misleading grade unless you are doing a comparison and giving Itunes a grade as well.

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  18. As you say, there is quiet a bit of decently obscure music on it already (it passed the Robyn Hitchcock test straight away).

    I think the No DRM feature should have a larger weighting on your score though !

  19. This is all good but I still prefer a subscription based service like Zune marketplace or Urge.

    I could care less if I actually own the tracks, as long as I can play them whenever I want.

  20. Look Universal is giving now to kill you later. It wants iTunes to fail, so it can later really screw you on pricing and DRM. How does it succeed? Build a competitor by giving it better pricing temporarily. The DRM deal only last six months, then Universal can kill it. If it feels Amazon is doing well, it could pull all its music from iTunes, effectively killing it. From there you will get higher priced music perhaps only in the Microsoft Media format.

  21. The problem with this theory is that Universal is pulling the strings here, not Amazon. No offense, but you are a fool if you think Universal has your best interests at heart. Universal can pull all its music from Amazon in six months, as well as the DRM free music. It didn’t give the DMR Free music to Apple for a reason. If you recall, it was Apple that called for DRM free music, while Universal called the idea preposterous. Amazon didn’t say anything.

    Apple forced Universal’s hand, by offering DRM free music from EMI. Apple makes less then a nickel on each song downloaded, so you can bet Universal is giving Amazon better rates. This is for a reason. Universal doesn’t want competition, it wants control at your expense.

    Do not help the bad guys win by buying music from Amazon.

    . . . . . This a fairly bold move by an innovative retailer who is saying “I don’t want to sell something that only some people can use some of the time. I want to sell them something they can enjoy whenever, wherever and however thy want.” That attitude needs to be applauded – and no I’m not on Amazon’s payroll. . . . . .

  22. “””System Requirements

    * PC: Windows XP or Vista
    * Mac: Mac OS X 10.4 or higher

    If you use Linux, you can currently buy individual songs. A Linux version of the Amazon MP3 Downloader is under development, and when released will allow entire album purchases.””””

    thanks Amazon !

    SO are all those songs only from EMI & independant ?

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  24. How come Apple couldn’t secure as much DRM-free content? One would think after Steve Jobs’ desperate open-letter to the industry, record labels would be interested in dealing with Apple… I predict Apple isn’t as serious about DRM-free as they’re trying to lead customers to believe. They’re clearly more interested in expanding their over-saturated iPod market than fulfilling the consumer’s best interests.

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  26. @Neil: “Why doesn’t Apple have these same songs available in non-DRM iTunes Plus format? How did Amazon beat Apple to the punch in unrestricted files?”

    Because “Proprietary” is Apple’s middle name.

    @Timmy: “You can skip the install and download the music directly to your file system if you chose. You do lose the synching function.”

    One solution (although I’m sure it will get bashed quickly) is to use Windows Media Player as your music library for the songs you downloaded from Amazon and then use it to sync to whatever device you have. I haven’t personally used the sync feature of WMP, but I use the sync feature of the Zune software constantly and I would assume the 2 are very similar.

  27. Problem with Amazon’s store is that they chose the antiquated MP3 format and not the better quality, smaller file size format of the success to MP3, AAC. They should have chosen AAC – and no, it’s not an Apple format, it’s an open standard, the success to MP3. It’s better sounding. It’s smaller in file size. It’s less cpu intensive in its encoding/decoding. MP3 SUCKS.

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  29. A lot of great points being made here, particularly on Amazon’s BETA or introductory pricing, which HAS to go up in order for Amazon and the labels to make money.

    But the one point I keep failing to understand, concerns the comparison of Amazon’s MP3 downloader to iTunes. These apps are entirely different creatures. iTunes – aside from downloading music – is a media library management system. It also rips music, re-encodes files, plays videos, streams audio content, slices, dices and cubes. The MP3 downloader is just that – a downloader. It’s one trick is the direct import to either iTunes or Window Media Player.

    Now if the point is that apple should release a simple one trick pony to just download music, okay. But the two products cannot be compared.

    That being said…I’m enjoying the Amazon experience. Low-prices are a good thing.

  30. @tnwake: Because “Proprietary” is Apple’s middle name.

    LMAO! And Windows Media Player and Zune player you mention in your post are NOT proprietary?? LOL. Don’t bash Apple just for the sake of bashing.

  31. Just downloaded Portishead’s Dummy — which, it turns out, I already had in 320 from an alternative source 😛 Anyway, sound quality is terrific, but file size is actually larger than the 320 files I previously had (2nd generation rip on the original files?). Deleting the 320 (the Amazon tracks sound better) and feeling a lot better about this store as an eventual CD alternative.

    And Togrim — it’s not a boycott if you’re stealing the product you’re boycotting. It’s just criminal behavior masquerading as nobility.

  32. insta-update: looks like Amazon’s using a combination of Constant Bit Rate and Variable Bit Rate technologies. I guess my “Dummy” is CBR — hence the larger file size than my earlier VBR tracks.

  33. Aaron – a 10 out of 10 would be the availability of a lossless format. I have never purchased a song from iTunes, and will not do so until I can buy the actual recording, not a hacked-to-pieces 256kbps version.

    I still can’t understand why Apple doesn’t sell Apple Lossless songs – I would gladly pay a premium for this.

  34. I’m happy to see Amazon offering DRM-free downloads at a superior bitrate to iTunes. I do wish they offered them in a lossless format though (FLAC!)… I highly recommend MusicGiants.com for lossless downloads – and they recently started offering some of their selections DRM-free! Once they offer all their tracks DRM-free, MusicGiants would be the only way to go!

  35. @Fernando: “LMAO! And Windows Media Player and Zune player you mention in your post are NOT proprietary?? LOL. Don’t bash Apple just for the sake of bashing.”

    I never said that. M$ has it’s own issues with being proprietary that annoy me, but my Zune will play multiple music formats (namely MP3) without having to convert something first. In that regard it’s less proprietary than the ipod.

    But what I was trying to say is that historically Apple has been more proprietary than M$. Apple likes to make products that are virtually impossible for the consumer to update, repair or customize themselves. It doesn’t mean M$ doesn’t do the same at times (DRM-MS format in media center for example), just that Apple is worse about that sort of thing.

  36. One thing I haven’t seen mentioned – it’s going to be a lot easier to link to specific albums and songs in Amazon vs. iTunes. No pop-up window to ask if you have iTunes installed, no delay while iTunes opens up, by which time you’ll have moved on to something else.

    And if Amazon is smart, and releases a blog-embeddable widget specifically for the music store? One-click purchase directly from your blog (with affiliate earnings) to my hard drive.

  37. Well, i did not read all comments, but those who have enough technical savvy to load up itunes and load an ipod can work this out. my bottom line would be that to just check here first and then itunes, kinda like buying books at borders. you can find the book there, and then go on amazon and buy it used for 1/4th the price right in border’s cafe area online.. . As for what is stopping the music labels from raising their prices? competition – and this music store will serve to that end. Amazon, and in particular Walmart are able to negotiate the heck out of their sources, and can limit access to markets big time. This battle will continue but I for one am pleased that there is an avenue here that is reasonably easy and available.

  38. For another source of Non-DRM tracks (where you can find basically ANYTHING you are searching for), there is a website that searches over 6,000,000 of them (not including AmazonMP3, which it says its adding soon) all at once – http://www.songboxx.com. With the addition of AmazonMP3, it’ll be a pretty incredible search engine, and THE place to figure out where to purchase non-DRM music on the internet.

  39. As a musician and independant recording artist who has three CDs available on the iTunes music store, I will say the following: Itunes is not the music business. The DRM was something they had to agree to get the record labels on board. Also, I am sure that everyone at Apple realizes just how easy their DRM is to bypass (Although you will never hear them say it). Itunes pays the record label their share and it is up to the record labels to pay the artists fairly. Since I am independant and don’t deal with a label that money is paid to me. Itunes created the first online music store that actually worked (previous attempts by other companies where failures). It is a fun interactive store to use but it is not for everyone. When Apple became a huge success a few years ago, the record labels immeadiately wanted to start raising prices. Apple resisted and prices where kept at 99 cents. I do not know if the Amazon store is a come on by the labels to raise prices or not, but competition is good. If Amazon starts raising prices then go back to Apple. But competition is good. I would like to see prices tiered based on quality of download. Consumers who aren’t as concerned with bit rate and quality could pay a lot less for lo fi files and those who are bigger audiophiles could pay more for higer bit rate files.

  40. Details in my rant posted above ( http://www.i-rant.org) but my highlighted points are:
    This is a good thing for people who want to save some money.
    Amazon is the king of online retailers and will bring a lot to the table including buying history, integrating other’s reviews, better search engines, etc.
    Anyone that wants to start slinging business ethics charges at Apple and Microsoft should really consider the real history of the music business.
    Buying high-fidelity versions of vinyl records and SACD’s were on my list – I always had a “stylus” and CD player capable of playing them. The standard Apple files are incomparable. This is better but I want more.
    iTunes store was never designed to be a huge revenue generator, it was designed to sell iPods – this will do that too.
    Apple has always been proprietary in regards to its OS only working on Apple machines.
    Apple controls things to make sure the user experience is consistent and a true pleasure. Its what we expect from them. Its what the iTunes store was all about. And we all “pay more” for this. Sacrificing “open” for this is a good thing; its a far cry from the opposite which is exercising market dominance by offering cheep prices/free goods for Monopolistic dominance. That’s why Wallmart dominates the small towns now, that’s why there is only MS Word and not Wordstar, Wordperfect, etc.
    but then again, is iLife and iWork a move to do the same thing? Capitalism – its what makes it all possible, but we must be savvy consumers.

  41. “256 kbps and DRM free. Need we say more”

    CAREFUL here!! Amazon’s tracks are encoded with VBR or Joint Stereo Modes (both of which may save space, but I particularly dislike because they affect dynamic range and can cut subtleties in the music. Plus the MP3 encoder may be universal but not close in quality to an AAC encoder.

    Apple keeps consistency with what they sell and that is the biggest difference between these two stores. Apple sells in the AAC format (hopefully soon DRM-FREE) at 128kbps (256kbps EMI) in normal stereo mode and codified with iTunes/Quicktime encoder. I don’t know what Amazon uses, I think Lame, but sometimes you can’t tell.

    Buy from iTunes until Amazon gets things straight. And if you re worried about the price, buy an iTunes gift card, they have great deals on eBay

  42. Well put,Mr.Paul Woodward – Both these services are useless outside the USA.I don’t know when these guys will make it to India.Whenever i need some albums i bother my friends or family who stay in the US.IT’S A REAL PAIN!!

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