19 thoughts on “Naked DSL or à la carte broadband”

  1. Just for the record, my cable provider, WOW Internet & Cable, provides naked connections as standard procedure with several speeds available.

    It’s not cheap, but it’s blazing fast, reliable, and they have given me excellent customer service.My neighbor have it too, and he is just as satisfied.

    And just today a friend of mine said he’s switching to WOW because of poor quality & service from Comcast. There is a market opportunity for small providers to step in and steal market share.

    As always it seems, the big boys are feeling fat & sassy in their monopolies, so it’s time for folks to switch to the hungry, scapping newcomers who actually care about our business.

  2. You are lucky to have that option, but unfortunately it is not an option for a lot of us. any more naked broadband providers? send me the information so we can post it here for rest of the readers

  3. Fuuny that Dick and company called it a “stupid” idea back in 2003 when as a wholesale reseller at the time, we suggested it as an alternative to losing customers to other providers.

    Now they are taking credit for something they didn’t think of themselves. Nice going… Dick.

  4. If you view DSL or a cable modem as a ‘service’ beyond the utilities’ base offering, then this becomes a more interesting discussion.

    Covad, et al took the position that high frequency sharing for DSL should be at zero cost to them. It was an incremental cost to the telco. Now comes ‘naked’ DSL, and the demand that it be both available and (for cable modem service) at no higher retail price than service using incremental costing.

    That leads to this question: Who and how are the local loop costs to be paid?

    Have the outside plant and all associated maintence costs been reduced to incremental as well?

    I don’t buy Verizon or SBC’s claim they ‘can’t do it’ but something about this argument that there are no fixed and common costs associated with the loop and outside plant just doesn’t make sense.

    Side note: I don’t know if it’s online, (probably as a closed caption transcript) but Verizon and SBC were on CSPAN 2 on Tuesday giving HoR testimony about their mergers with MCI and AT&T. Naked DSL was on of the questions from the Wisconsin representative.

    Interesting dancing around this topic by both Ivan and Ed.

  5. Mark, in my mind there is no doubt that they own the local loop. i just want them to sell me the service i want, and not some bundle they think i should have.

  6. Om –

    Since switching to VOIP via Cable, I lost my intercom system… no way other than a direct call to get to us.

    If we had DSL (our building gets preferred pricing on both cable and DSL) I think it would be the same since I would not want to use the phone part of the connection.

  7. that’s a neat little scandal and way to get the money out of tennants. one of my favorite pet peeves. well one has to learn and live without an intercom system.

  8. As for bundling and if you apply the scope of it to apply, there is still a rule called Cross Subsidization – 47 C.F.R. § 64.901(c):

    A telecommunications carrier may not use services that are not competitive to subsidize services subject to competition. Services included in the definition of universal service shall bear no more than a reasonable share of the joint and common costs of facilities used to provide those services.

    So in forcing a customer to have basic phone service to get DSL, this could apply because the two services are under different classifications.

  9. Up here in Canada we can get naked dsl, but it is so new they haven’t even announced it yet. Naked Cable has been available for years, witha $5 or $10CDN surcharge depending on speed of service. My last building had an intercom system tied to any phone number you gave them, so I had my intercom hooked up to my cell phone…I could buzz you in from thousands of miles away. 😉

  10. Quest should definately come down to Louisiana. They’d clean up. People are sick of the lack of choice and poor customer service. Or at least that’s my hope. I’m sick of it. They do what they want because they believe that customers don’t know enough about how things work to figure out they are getting crapped all over.

    Unfortunately, our words will go unheard and nothing will change. THOSE BASTARDS!!!

  11. It’s all about the money, thats why SBC, Verizon, BellSouth won’te enable naked DSL. They force you to use their phone service in order to get their DSL service.

  12. stoic mark we are so jealous. i wish i could get comcast to take away TV and give me bband. actually someone emailed me from my building after reading the post, and told me that i could attach the cellphone to the intercom system if i had a local number. well time to think about that –

  13. I live in Midwest Illinois and luckly I’m able to get DSL with no landline phone. Granted, I’m paying $40 a month, but I’m getting DSL at 348kbs. I go thru a local phone company that offers DSL in my town and is working it’s way towards offering regular phone service in my town too. They’re a little backwards on services, but I’m not complaining. I don’t have Qwest in my area, but I’m a telemarketer and I call Qwest customers. I don’t agree with the price changes that Qwest is doing since it’s getting to the point that I can’t get anyone to change to the mew package since they would be getting less for more! Just thought I’d put my 2cents worth in!

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  15. Heather, or anyone else with naked DSL, what taxes, fees or surcharges do you have to pay? I’m thinking about going to naked DSL w/VOiP, solely because the taxes etc. add 36% to my bill.

  16. I just ordered naked dsl from speakeasy. See here for more info. It’s for my flat in the 94102 zip — Hayes Valley in SF. I got them to drop the installation fees ($100) and the modem is free, plus he made my IP static; it’s 1.5 Mbps down, 384 up (they offer 6 Mbps down). They also offer VoIP and other services.

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