Vonage, say hello to Grave Dancers

15 thoughts on “Vonage, say hello to Grave Dancers”

  1. QUOTE: Charter, that currently boasts about 500,000 phone customers, is supposedly a friend of Charter and has been trialing Vonage as part of a special $45 voice-and-data bundle.

    Huh? Charter a friend of Charter?

    btw — Charter sucks! 🙂 I’m on Dish Network and DSL. Couldn’t be happier.

    Rex

  2. I see a slight flaw in the reasoning that the US based cable carriers should buy out Vonage’s customers – how will they provide service to non-USA customers without Vonage’s network + devices?

    Vonage has been, for me, absolutely brilliant, because it allows me to have a UK telephone number, with a virtual presence in the USA. Friends of mine in the US can thus call me as if it was either a local call, or part of their long-distance package. I can’t see the cable companies even bothering to keep the international userbase of Vonage – they certainly can’t sell them Internet access.

  3. Mr Malik:

    Whats to stop the cable company’s from being on the next “hit list” with Verizon? The worrisome issue here is that, although Vonage could arguably be the largest competitor to Verizon, the cablcos would definitely be next in line. Until this patent mess is cleaned up in the US I see continued hacking at the VoIP business until nobody is left standing in this space.

    The patents in question describe the use of an Internet Web browser to control voice mail and also to control call direction/ processing. Both features pretty core to EVERY VoIP operator.

    I disagree with with your article in the fact that the shareholders in a cableco may be further endangered by sticking their head up and being noticed in this time of patent strife.

    BTW, I’ve always enjoyed your articles and look forward to your comments.

    Clay S Perreault
    Founder, Digifonica International
    Founder, Galaxy Telecom Ltd.

  4. When will the lawyers begin to go after Vonage’s IPO Bankers?

    With Demoncrats in DC and an election cycle in desperate need of stories, especially about the how the little guy always gets the raw deal, this should be a popular news angle. No?

  5. OM – Vonage is seems to be sitting on some cash. At least on Yahoo Finance they show a few shillings in the bank (about $554 Million). Based on that number the stock price is below the cash value. Can you ask around and verify? Of course Bloomerberg would be a better source.

  6. Om, why buy the cow when the milk will be free?

    Charter’s move is interesting, but not unexpected. With voice being IP, it really doesn’t matter where the customer is located.

    This is the first step, a really big first step. A MSO is moving out of their footprint. The cable wars have begun. Why wouldn’t Charter target Cox or Time Warner Cables customers next? The reason they have not done so in the past was because they didn’t want to get into a price war. Charter is the first mover here, look for others to quickly jump in. I knew that the cable wars would begin, but I didn’t think it would begin this quickly.

    As for Verizon going after others, they might try to pick off some of the other pure plays, but they won’t move against a cable company. A David vs. Goliath fight is fine, but who wants to get into the ring with another Goliath?

  7. RandomThoughts guy sort of has the right idea, but I suspect the Charter move is a simple cherry pick / re-direct of VoIP ad budgets. Its smart.

    The cableco’s have a pretty delicate infrastructure when it comes to their VoIP deployments and they don’t currently support out of network customers. I also don’t think this is the first shot across the bow for CableCo’s to all of a sudden starting to compete with themselves. There are strict franchising rules for MSOs and its complicated to offer services out of network.

    Plus competition will only erode the obvious price fixing Cable Operators engage in with their pricing schemes. The margins on VoIP and High Speed Data are very high; and what people don’t realize is that those products limit the quality and diversity of regular cable tv programming since bandwidth must be allocated to those services.

    That said, Verizon should realize that forcing Vonages customers off the system will most likely force them to Cable provided VoIP. This is going to make it that much harder for Vz or AT&T to migrate those customers over to the FTTx networks down the road.

    The Cable operators would love nothing more than to see Vonage go down in flames since Vonage is probably 2nd or 3rd on the list of most bandwith intensive applications riding for “free” on thier networks behing BitTorrent and other P2P networks.

    Somewhere in this argument lies a network neutrality issue, but its hidden behind all of the obvious patent and legal issues.

    Lastly, its not clear the cable operators are going to side-step this whole patent issue either. Its smart for Vz to go after poor & unsophisticated Vonage. Get an injunction and case law in the books then go after the big dogs. I’m sure all the major cable operators have their counsel carefully studying their liability issues.

    Drew

  8. OK, according to the LightReading article, Charter will only be targeting Vonage customers that are within their footprint.

    Maybe calls for a cable war being started are premature, but it will happen as soon as telecom begins making inroads with their video offerings.

  9. This whole patent-infringement (AKA possible doom of Vonage) is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

    I’ve been a customer of Vonage for about a year and the quality of the service sucks. Poor quality of audio, frequent outages/technical issues, etc. have soured me on Vonage.

    Now, I have an excuse to get off my lazy butt and switch (probably to AT&T).

  10. Clay Perrault failed miserably in Panama. Don’t believe anything he says or tries to pitch to you. His company, PanAmerican Wireless, SA, accepted money from us to provide a solid network infrastructure with data and VOIP connectivity solutions. Needless to say, they never completed the work and services that we paid them to, which is basically stealing. He also burned a few other companies here such as the Panama Railroad who ended up kicking him out of his offices located on thier property.

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