34 thoughts on “Will the iPhone Stay on the Path of Growth?”

  1. Hmm, I think your analisys is blind to basic facts that invalidate much of your argument. For one thing, many of the markets where Nokia dominates outside of Europe simply do not have the infrastructure or resourses to enter the Smart-phone wars (smartphones are still only a fraction of total mobile phone sales). In order for Apple or RIM to take a bite off Nokia’s massive markets, they would need to manufacture a handset that could compete with the ubiquitous Series 40.
    Take this into consideration: in India, a cellphone is simply reffered to as “Nokia”, and for the majority of people in developing markets this also holds true: food, texting and air time are basic needs, surfing and apps are not.

    1. So you are arguing against the World Wide Web and the progress of technology? It may take a little time, but every phone will eventually have the feature set of the 2007 iPhone. The software is already free, because Apple’s browser core is free and open source, which is why it used in Android and many other devices. There are vendors making these phones very cheaply right now, and they will only get cheaper. At some point, the multitouch display becomes cheaper than buttons and switches. Everything is going to no moving parts.

    2. I couldn’t agree with you more. The age of the mobile-web is here but its not in certain parts of the world; third world countries do not have that privilege.

      Nokia manufactures phones that offers basic cellphone needs as you mentioned and that’s what accounts for a majority of their profits

    3. Apple isn’t interested in taking market share from Nokia. Apple is not the kind of company that will ever produce a cheap model for the sake of making a cheap model, nor for the sake of capturing a market. The prices of the iPhone may drop as manufacturing is streamlined, but Apple isn’t going to create a low-cost device to go after that segment of the market. It runs counter to its corporate culture.

      RIM, on the other hand, could be interested in going after emerging markets. However, the real player here will be the inexpensive Android devices. The Android platform is going to enjoy near ubiquity, but the quality of devices will vary quite considerably. In effect, Android is the Windows of smartphones.

      It’s going to be everywhere, and quality will be considerably inconsistent between devices. And, unfortunately, the OS will be worse off for it as well. Nokia is dead in the water at this point – unless it migrates to Android, of course.

  2. Hi,

    I have a couple of questions I would like to understand => of this 293 million smartphone, what is the geographical distribution? where are they concentrated.

    Secondly, a comment about India and China and their CDMA market – its been relegated to minority players in both countries. Please check – China Mobile with TD-SCDMA (there is no TD iPhone), and China Unicom with WCDMA occupy 90% of the 3G market. Keep in mind 3G is being released in china only 1 year ago! starting of 2009. China Telecom which is using CDMA, is really no where to be found in CDMA market! except in voice only phones! (as most valley blogger call gave them a stupid name, dumbphones).

    Also about India, only Reliance now has CDMA in India, Last I checked Indian operators are not giving subsidies and India is a business of open channel retail for mobile phones, packages or deals or contracts are very rare and barely enforceable in India. So I am not sure how many mid 20’s to early 30’s are going to afford to buy a iPhone for 699$ which is like almost one months for well to do techies in that 20s age group!

    So if iPhone get share it will get only outside of India and China as result of releasing CDMA version!

    So guys, please focus only market you know very well – valley and usa! don’t speculate on other countries without even giving it a thought!! Sorry for this, but I have noticed GigaOm has a habit of including other markets without knowing anything about them.

  3. Also one more comment, In China PC penetration is pretty good. but still majority dont have their own PC and using it via internet cafe, schools etc. similar to India.

    And requiring users to use itunes to activate the freaking device for which you paid 699$ – is kind of ridiculous. I want to power it on and start using! Sorry but this kind of making users slaves works only in USA! and may be a little in europe!

    Who the help knows about iTunes in China and India, (in china may in the 8 big metropolis only – but that also sporadic mac users)…

  4. I hope Apple never introduces low-cost model iPhones to the masses. Apple needs to keep doing what it is doing. When an iPhone becomes a year older, just lower the price. If anything, they should offer something like an iPhone Pro for road warriors and those that are willing to pay for special edition version. Leave those cheap-ass smartphones to Android and Nokia users. Good for Google with their world domination of the smartphone market. Let Google’s Android partners keep building cheaper and cheaper smartphones. Maybe they’ll succeed in putting every company not using Android OS out of business. Not every company has to have that type of philosophy. I’d rather Apple stick to high-quality and good customer service and charge a premium for it.

    1. Rofl, you do realize that Apple essentially sells cheap $200 phones for $600, right? Typical clueless Apple fanboy zombie, mistakingly thinking that being overcharged for overpriced products by your company of choice is the same thing as getting high-quality products.

      1. Apple attracts the best developers to its platforms, and as most consumers have figured out with the iPhone, in the end that’s all that matters.

        Android devices will always be ahead of the iPhone in terms of hardware because Apple prefers yearly product cycles. That’s indisputable.

        However, iOS is still a goldmine for developers. Furthermore Apple has quietly cultivated a very healthy design and development culture for iPhone and iPad. And that is what is going to continue to drive Apple’s success in the mobile space.

    2. They already have a low-cost phone for the masses: iPod touch. The $229 model comes out to $9.54 per month over a 2 year lifespan. You have FaceTime, Skype, Safari, email, and hundreds of thousands of other apps.

      Of course the downside is no 3G, and that is a big downside. Adding that to an iPad costs $130 more plus $25/month. That would put an iPod touch 3G at $959 over 2 years, or free-with-contract and $40/month, same price as a feature phone.

  5. @sranha

    I wonder how well you know the Indian market if you don’t then don’t try to talk as if you know.

    Btw India has a population of 1.3B and has a huge middle class so go figure.

    1. Generalizing about India and China is hard because even if only a small fraction of India or China has equivalent demographics to the US, that small fraction could be bigger than the entire US.

    2. Hi Adam,

      My intention is not to oppose your point of view but I think that @sranha is correct.

      Though India is a huge market, Nokia still rules with nice looking and “value for money” phones…

      Iphone was launched with few carriers in India (approx. 2 yrs back) and it met with luke warm response becuase of its price barrier.

      At similiar price of Iphone, an average consumer would like to own a PC in india (still a huge growth market) and Iphone remains a luxury (unlike US).

  6. “And requiring users to use itunes to activate the freaking device for which you paid 699$ – is kind of ridiculous.”

    This complaint is a version of iPhone fruitcake – there’s apparently one person who thinks connecting an iPhone to iTunes is a chore, and the complaint gets recycled over and over across various blogs.

    Seriously, dude, what part of 50 million iPhones sold in 2010 do you not understand? EVERY one of those phones was activated via iTunes once, but that didn’t seem to stop it’s growth.

    It’s a wonder that you aren’t complaining that you need an Internet connection to download Windows security patches for PCs when Microsoft should take pity on those without Net connections and supply a free patch DVDs each month. It’s 2011, not the 1990s.

  7. Apparently Apple’s 2011 chip order from Samsung is bigger than what Samsung will make for itself. I think what is happening is the iPod market is taking over the phone market. Apple, Samsung, and everybody else. Modern smartphones are just iPods with phones in them. Huge battery, ARM SoC, flash storage, touch interface, audio video … that is all the same as an iPod.

    Apple’s new touch-based iPod nano was very interesting, because they are extending their iPod OS to have iOS-like features. If they put a phone in there and sold it free with contract, what happens then? Nobody thought they would do iPod shuffle with no display and no click wheel. An iPhone nano could track a few years behind iPhone, adding features from the bigger phone as they go.

    Another interesting idea is an iPod touch with 3G and a $30 data plan and FaceTime, which is VoIP. In other words, an iPad nano. At $229 and $30 per month, you are in the wheelhouse of a lot more users. Now that Apple has no carrier exclusivity, they could explore this. What if this September we see iPod touch 3G on T-Mobile, free with contract and $40 per month for unlimited data?

    Apple seems to have a million options based on the strength of their technology, and the high demand for their products, while everyone else is playing catch-up. Even Android v3 still won’t have a modern GPU-based display layer, like a 2003 Mac and all iOS devices that have existed. And nobody but Apple has mobile native C apps, like a PC. Their technology lead is huge. Microsoft said at CES that in 2 years they hope to have NT ported to ARM, which is where OS X was in 2007.

    And finally, iOS is so sticky. iPhone users will continue to buy iPhones next time out, because it spoils you for other phones.

    So I think you are right, much more growth to come for Apple.

    1. An iPod touch with integrated 3G (and a corresponding data-only plan) would be compelling – but I’m dead certain that Apple’s agreements with AT&T and/or Verizon excludes such a move.

      You’re bumping up against one of my favorite ideas – a national carrier-sized footprint of wireless data access, regardless of hardware. As much as I would like to see Apple *or* Google pull such a move, I don’t see either of them spending that much cash, or fighting the regulatory battles that would come with it.

  8. The iPhone is expensive. So are cars like BMW, BEnz and Porsches. I hope the iPhone remains a classy phone and never become a cheapy. Also, do not say the iPhone isn’t worth it when you have not owned and used one yourself.

    1. Absolutely agree with don here…
      there are a few things in life which are referred to as: “acquired taste in life”. not everyone should have them… cause then they wouldnt remain a taste… an iphone is such a device. I really hope and wish Apple doesnt do what nokia does: create useless shit devices and think they can rule the world creating phones for the Asian beggars. Absolutely disgusting Marketing campaigns in India, one should see… its like bloody non-sense. Anyways, thats the reason, now they are losing market share and sliding downhill.

      1. The iPhone a classy device? Are you kidding – you can get for £50 on a two year £35 a month contract here. To be honest, its starting to get a bit of a reputation as the chav phone.

        @Subhasish Ghosh

        Wow! Elitist and racist. Classy!

    2. I have owned one and it is an excellent gadget but total crap as a phone, very poor sound quaility for voice call, you never really appriciate how poor the call quaility on an iphone is untill you go back and user another phone such as a nokia or samsung. When my contract is up I will be upgrading to something cheaper and better, 2 years ago there was no choice now I have plenty of options available.

  9. If there was an iPhone that was affordable for the lower-class that was stripped down but still had the main features of the current iPhones, if done properly it could open a lot more users up to Apple products. With a trade-up to a full iPhone at a discount when previously owning one of the low-end versions, it could even make upgrading more affordable for those users.

  10. So, you are under the impression that india is going to jump from the extremely low price point of nokia feature phones to one of the most expensive smart phones, the iphone, and this will happen because 1. Just because apple is that cool or 2. Apple will make a low end version despite apple repeatedly saying they wouldn’t.

    Even though indian cellphone providers would make more money with android threw app sales since google doesn’t take a cut, but shares app sale revenue with the provider and developer, and ignoring the fact that india has had the Iphone for years now, or that local companies can make android devices, Or that open source technologies are more warmly embraced in india.

    iOS and mac osx is just unix with a proprietary layer on top and a fruit logo. Not gods gift to computing. Seriously, how decadent can you get. I guess indians can just eat apple cake eh?

  11. Apple should maintain growth for several more years as they continue to enter new countries and new carriers. The iPhone 5 may become the most popular World Superphone later this year and everybody knows that the mighty iPad 2 is taking no prisoners. With $60 billion in cash and no debts the Apple is looking pretty for the foreseeable future thank you very much.

    1. World super phone… so you think that people from emerging economies can afford an iphone. America is a wealthy country and I know many people here who can’t afford an iphone but you expect emerging ecnomies to be able to afford it. Thank you for proving that apple fanboys are little more then people obsesed with decadence.

  12. India is undergoing a paradigm shift in terms of handhelds. You have to realise that the fraction of people buying smartphones though small (also, increasing by the minute) are a considerable number considering its 1.4 billion population & for each of these individuals making the shift to a cheap android or (if the pocket allows) an iPhone is the first choice. Hence, considering the smartphone market, Nokia is being beaten here to dust.

    Also, it may help Apple’s case if it stopped treating India as it’s dumping ground. The iPhone 4 & the iPad have just arrived here & considering its already February, people refrain from buying apple’s high priced products when they know a hardware update is right round the corner, say as early as April & besides any user going to buy an iPhone would be well informed about the feature upgrades in an iPhone 4 which certainly deter him from buying a 3GS. This is where products from RIM & other manufacturers steal the show, for there products are released almost simulatneously all round the world & hence find more no. Of takers, this explains why RIM has experienced phenomenal growth in the past year in the Indian market.

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