Cogent CEO: Peering Breakdown Is Telia's Fault

42 thoughts on “Cogent CEO: Peering Breakdown Is Telia's Fault”

  1. Cogent may be the victim, but that doesn’t justify them filtering Telia’s routes they receive from Verio. Cogent isn’t tier 1, which means that if they don’t having a peering arrangement then they have to pay another network to transit the route. Cogent just doesn’t want to pay.

  2. My only comment is that this is a childish action. If you are not able to negotiate an upgrade without de-peering you should be replaced – and that may be applicable for both parties. (But only one has de-peered).

    The Internet is crucial for businesses, for governments and for the public. Actions like these are extremely dangerous for the future and may impose further government regulations. And if the reoccur that might be neccessary.

  3. Erm… that’s an insightful comment from “Cogent pulled the trigger”…

    You say that makes sense, but what do you mean? Is there some Swedish conspiracy that we’ve not heard about?

  4. Breach of contract? Then leave it to the lawyers and courts to decide. Don’t penalize your customers because you’re incapable of acting responsibly in a business negotiation. If you cared about your customers you would allow access to Telia via alternate routes.

  5. Cogent, we are waiting for you, come to Eastern Europe and finally shut this MAFIA STYLE BUSINESS OF TELIASONERA down!

    What is happening with you has happened with tens if not hunderd’s of smaller ISPs here. Corruption and bribery is the main “sales force” for TeliaSonera.

    “Friendship” with the cotrolling government bodies and politicians is why TeliaSonera’s criminal activities have not investigated yet.

    The only question remains WHY the SWEDISH GOVERNMENT, the principal shareholder of this gang is tolerating to this MAFIA STYLE business??

    TeliaSonera MUST STOP SPREADING CORRUPTION AND BRIBERY IN LITHUANIA!

  6. Ah, but in most reports it is Cogent that is filtering the routes from Telia. That would mean that it is Cogent who are dropping transit for clients who are paying Cogent. In my view, while Cogent’s costs may have changed for delivering the packets on behalf of clients, they remain obligated to deliver those packets. Even at a loss.

  7. So this is was Renesys Data says:
    – Approximately 9% of Cogent Communications’s downstream networks are transited via providers; see selected peers
    . 1 NTT America, Inc. AS 2914

    • TeliaNet Global Network is transit-free.

    Telia has a peering with AS2914, Cogent is buying IP Transit from AS2914, everything would work but Cogent is not excepting Telia Routes via AS2914. So this is not very nice.

  8. Cogents actions are shamefull. They are blocking all traffic from and to TeliaSonera networks. Cogent seems to own the internet, well they are just blackmailing.

  9. Cogent has probably dug themself so far down that they can’t get up any longer.

    Normally, third party routes would work just fine, Telia has plenty of those. But like the previous poster say, Cogent still pay for transit, and they probably cannot afford the extra data coming from those sources.

    The funny thing is also, they have no real infrastructure in europe, they are simply leasing from other providers, something that costs more then it bring in.

  10. WaPO reports that the alternate route issue is at least partially also TeliaSonera:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031901741.html

    “Cogent cut its direct links to TeliaSonera on March 13. For a while, customers of the two companies were still able to connect indirectly, through intermediaries connected to Cogent and TeliaSonera, but that possibility disappeared on Friday, according to Renesys

    Schaeffer said the loss of alternate routes had nothing to do with Cogent, and speculated that TeliaSonera has refused to pay other providers for traffic destined for Cogent.

    TeliaSonera did not comment on that allegation. Spokeswoman Maria Hillborg said the companies were trying to work out an agreement, and that a “requisite for that agreement is that TeliaSonera receives the compensation Cogent owes us.” “

    And frankly, expecting Cogent to pay transit to TS to stay connected is sort of absurd. They’re only paying Verio for transit because they don’t have a settlement-free connection to ATDN, but why should Cogent pay transit to reach Telia and not vice versa? Cogent is better peered. Just one of their facilities (Marina Del Rey) has more capacity than Telia Sonera’s transatlantic links.

    The fact is BOTH providers will rightly continue to bleed customers the longer they stay disconnected.

  11. “Just one of their facilities (Marina Del Rey) has more capacity than Telia Sonera’s transatlantic links.”

    I don’t know where you got it from that TeliaSonera only should have 20Gbps capacity cross the atlantic but it is not true, they have several times that…

  12. TeliaSonera has the biggest transatlantic capacity out of all carriers, get your facts straight or don’t speak. TeliaSonera is also the single largest owner of that transatlantic cablesystem TAT-14, alone on that cable Telia has over 50Gbps.

  13. @Mattw and @Scott, best Regards to Dave, tell him he should hire better Sales guys who understand the market and know the competition 🙂 You Cogent Reps are simply to stupid:-)

    Cogent Revenue: 150 Million USD
    TeliaSonera Revenue: 15 Billion USD

    So who is more money to keep the game ongoing?

  14. I had the impression that internet was supposed to be fault tolerant. If these kind of things are easy to do, doesn’t it also mean that terrorism is easy to do. Governments should take a hint and do something before someone uses this fault.

  15. If you claim that it i telia’s problem, then at least give your customers what they ask for. I have been out of connection with European websites for a week and a half now. So please sort something out and provide us with the usual reach of connection. Regardless of who is at fault, your users are suffering from it.

  16. Cogent is nothing but a piece of SHIT! This is not a first time when Cogent did something like this! Cogent should be banned from servicing internet services.

  17. Hmm, I’m curious if Cogent customers had advance notice about this?

    When this happened with Level 3, didn’t Cogent agree to give a warning to their customers before de-peering in the future? I suppose the agreement applied only to Cogent – Level 3 relationship…

  18. (from first thread) They could have settled this in court or through negotiation (like ethical companies do). It doesn’t matter AT ALL which company is right or wrong – Cognet cut the cable so to speak.

    The real problem, as several others posters mentioned, is that these tactics threatens the open structure of the Internet. 5 companies (in probably fewer, western, countries) can heavily disrupt Internet if they feel like doing so. International treaties is a must to prevent these ridicules disputes!

    Issues are present as of today (24:th Mars).

    Telia is trying to downplay the effect on their Swedish website. Saying it only affects a very small number of webb-sites. BullS* it affect loads of webb-sites. I did a tracert run from several European countries and carriers (19th) and so did my hosting provider – it affected huge numbers of users and websites (and many operators besides Telia).

    I’ve seen traffic turned on and of on specific sites which indicate Telia is trying to re-route access to Cognet nets – though I suspect Cognet is countering those moves with new barriers.

    (new in this thread) AND: Cognet ALSO seem to have stopped the Transit option to a great degree (see previos thread). Lying thives!

    “TeliaSonera customers experiencing any difficulty reaching Cogent’s network can continue to purchase IP Transit from TeliaSonera along with another Tier 1 provider. This will fix the immediate problem and ensure optimal connectivity going forward.”

  19. FIRST OF ALL:
    Ongoing peering issue is between TELIASONERA INTERNATIONAL CARRIER(as1299) and Cogent, NOT TELIA SWEDEN(as3301) or SONERA, so if you wanna complain about bad broadband quality or bad customer support, TSIC(as1299) has got NOTHING to do with it. Except being within the same company group and that they are offering transit to them.

    SECOND:

    Fact: Teliasonera International carrier(as1299) has total transatlantic capacity of 160+90 Gbit/s.(Homepage and ip-network map not up-to-date)
    Links between Paris,London,Copenhagen-NYK,Washington(ASH).

    Stating that TSIC should have 20G or “second to none” transatlantic capacity is just a joke.

    Fact2: Cogent and TSIC only connect eachother in US, TSIC have different peering requirements for EU and US.

    I leave the speculating of why they dont peer in EU and the rest to you guys.

  20. I have some 3 servers and use cogent bandwidth now because i live in sweden i can not access them!
    If the issue does not get resolved i may move my servers.

    I really don’t care whos fault it is.

  21. No one is mentioning that Internet Transit and access is still “best efforts”. I would encourage all Cogent customers reading this to look on their contracts and find any language referencing “full routing table acccess”. I bet you will not find it, because this service is still very much a collaboration service. Particularly in the wholesale market. So you are stuck with what you pay for.

    I received a call two days ago from a customer that was extremely upset about the whole situation, yet he understood the simple premise: The service is best efforts. There are no service level guarantees. lower rates = insecurity and no reliability. You get what you paid for.

  22. To internet goblin

    You should wear your sharp suit when you visit Sweden, their governments own TeliaSonera whose business model fully depends on bribery and corruption.

    It’s a shame that Swedish and Finnish governments are tolerating to this crimianal business.

    Sooner or later TeliaSonera mafia will have to respond for its criminal actions against our companies.

    TeliaSonera MUST STOP SPREADING BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION IN LITHUANIA!

  23. Cogent dag that hole for themselves by not doing proper market research and contract negotiations. Their legal counsel is not the brightest guy in the world and I tell you, these guys are a special bunch of incompetent morons.

    Telia Sonera had the right to do this to Cogent.

  24. Do Telia realise they are affecting New Zealand and other countries here in the pacific from accessing certain European sites? I subscribe to one particular site and if this matter is not resolved soon, I will be requesting my money back for failure to provide a service. Hopefully by doing this the site will then sue Telia for loss of business caused by them!

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